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Pokemon Trainer Red's connections to Mobius 1


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You may think Im crazy or something, but I think there is a possible connection between Red and Mobius 1. Both are badasses in their own regards. They may be characters from two completely different franchises but they share one thing.

 

First off, Red, the Protagonist of Pokemon Red and Blue and Firered and Leafgreen and also the final boss of Pokemon Gold,Silver and Crystal and Heartgold and Soulsilver. He's quite the trainer as we know and is spoken highly of  among the fandum. Lets take a look at some of his accomplishments :

 

  • Defeated the 8 Gym Leaders of Kanto
  • Took down all of Team Rocket all by himself
  • Defeated The Kanto Elite Four and Champion Blue, thus becoming the Pokemon League Champion
  • Caught Mewtwo
  • Caught the Legendary Birds, Articuno,Zapdos and Moltres

You gotta say that is pretty impressive for a 10-year old . Yes he may have got taken down by Gold in GSC and HGSS, but he is one of the most powerful Trainers in the Pokemon Universe

 

Now we come to Mobius 1, ISAF's Ace of Aces who single handily liberated the Usean Continent from Erusea during the Usean Continental War and turning the tide. The combat compatibility of Mobius 1 is said to rival that of an entire ISAF Squadron (According to AC5) which is very impressive. Lets look at his many feats :

  • Repelled Erusea's attack on North Point and the Comona Isalnds, halting the Erusean advance
  • Destoyed the 'Invincible' Aegir Fleet
  • Took part in Operation Bunker Shot , the turning point of the War
  • Successfully destroyed Stonehenge as well as shooting down Yellow 4 of the thought-invincible Yellow Squadron, quickly gaining the nickname, Ribbon Reaper or Ribbon for short
  •  Successfully took the Erusian capital of Farbanti as well taking down Yellow Squadron, including Yellow 13.
  • Ended the war by completely destroying Megalith and the remnant Erusian forces.
  • Took part in Operation Katina and put and end to 'Free Erusea' as well as gathering info on Erusea's Unmamned Fighter Progam which led to the development of the X-02 Wyvern

Of course you would expect that much from the Aces of Aces. I actually think his combat capability of an entire air force. Now lets see what the Pokemon Master and Ace Of Aces  have in common

 

Firstly, they're silent protaganists, no surprise. Secondly, and this is important, they appear in later games in their respective franchises . Red first reappears in Pokemon Gold and Silver and Crystal as the final boss of these games.He appears at the top of Mount Silver after defeating all 16 Gym Leaders and can be fought ( Cant forget his lv 81 Pikachu) He then next reappears in Pokemon Black and White 2 as a participant of the Pokemon World Tournament in Driftveil City. He can be fought when participating in the Champions tournament (Unlocked after winning the World Leaders Tournament 10 times) and will be using his same team from Heartgold and Soulsilver but with EV Training. Now lets move on to Mobius 1. He first reappears in AC5 when you play through Operation Katina which is the Epilogue of AC4 where you take down the last remaining remnant Erusian Forces, allowing for Erusea's recovery to go on smoothly. This allows you to acquire the Mobius livery for the F-22 (very badass). The second time he reappears is in ACZ during 'The Gauntlet' Mission where you take down all the ace Squadrons that appear in the campaign after completing it on all Ace Styles. He will appear if you take down the Espada team relatively quick and will be shown taking down the Wizard Squadron in one fal swoop before turning to engage you. He is eventually shot down. The third time he reappears is in AC6 during mission 9 in the Ace of Aces DLC mode where he appears along with all the other playable ace characters after the Agaion's engines are destoyed. The last time he makes a physical appearance is in ACJA in Mission SP02, Ace of Aces as the 70th bandit out of 100.

 

Now that we know that the developers of these franchises cherish these two characters that much, lets dig deeper. In Ace Combat Zero, Cipher is able to fight Mobius by meeting the conditions of shooting down Espada quickly and eventually shoots him down. You cant help but think its very similar to how Gold, The Protagonist of Pokemon Gold, Silver and Crystal and their remakes, was able to fight re after meeting the condition, which was to defeat the 16 Gym Leaders of Kanto and Johto, and was able to beat him. Also judging from the fact that AC4 was released before Pokemon Red and Blue, its just a hunch, but I think Mobius 1's character is based on Red. There are also other similarities. Red took down Team Rocket, which was feared by by the Kanto Region and no one before him dared to stand up against them. This is similar to how Mobius 1 took down Yellow Squadron,which, in the opening stages of the war, was feared by ISAF forces to an extent that they were to ordered to retreat once they enter the mission airspace and were thought to be invincible. However, Mobius 1 quelled these fears by damaging Yellow 13's plane over the Comona Islands and even further by shooting down Yellow 4 just after destroying Stonehenge so more. This similarity is uncanny

 

So there you have it. Whether you wanna believe it or not, The two are similar


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WOW, A CHARACTER THAT IS MADE TO BE A VESSEL FOR WHATEVER THE PLAYER WANTS IT TO BE IS SIMILAR TO ANOTHER CHARACTER OF THE SAME TYPE

 

WOW WOW WOW I NEVER SAW THAT COMING


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I think you need to lay off the Pot and rethink your life.


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Pokemon happens in the future considering we have all that tech such as teleportation and shrinking living beings down to a beam of light. I can then conclude that Mobius 1 is Blaze, met Nagase, had a family, both died early so the child was adopted and raised. The child became Red.


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Pokemon happens in the future considering we have all that tech such as teleportation and shrinking living beings down to a beam of light. I can then conclude that Mobius 1 is Blaze, met Nagase, had a family, both died early so the child was adopted and raised. The child became Red.


I been playing Pokemon for 10 years now but I dont recall anything about 'shrinking living things down to a beam of light'. Also, we cannot assume that the Pokemon games occur in the future just because of tech like tleportation. Not sure about that last part since its more believed that Cipher is Mobius 1 rather than Blaze
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I dont recall anything about 'shrinking living things down to a beam of light'. 

 

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Well that Blazer part of your name certainly fits in right.
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Silent self-insert video game characters who are lauded to be the greatest of their kind are similar and make a cameo as a super difficulty challenge enemy in later games.

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I been playing Pokemon for 10 years now but I dont recall anything about 'shrinking living things down to a beam of light'. Also, we cannot assume that the Pokemon games occur in the future just because of tech like tleportation. Not sure about that last part since its more believed that Cipher is Mobius 1 rather than Blaze

Cipher is not Mobius 1. Blaze cannot be either Mobius 1 or Cipher because Blaze was a fresh new pilot, a rookie in the beginning of the game. Cipher lives in a different continent than Mobius 1 or at least served in a different continent. (Does not automatically disqualify him. Either way he would be about 5 years older than he was when the belkan war ended.) Mobius 1 and Scarface 1 served in the same continent, so Scarface 1 being also Mobius 1 is more plausible, but I still think that they are all a different person.  


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Cipher is not Mobius 1. Blaze cannot be either Mobius 1 or Cipher because Blaze was a fresh new pilot, a rookie in the beginning of the game. Cipher lives in a different continent than Mobius 1 or at least served in a different continent. (Does not automatically disqualify him. Either way he would be about 5 years older than he was when the belkan war ended.) Mobius 1 and Scarface 1 served in the same continent, so Scarface 1 being also Mobius 1 is more plausible, but I still think that they are all a different person.  

 

Nah, the main reason why the three cannot be the same person is reputation-based. If Cipher joined ISAF, everyone would crap bricks and say OMG IS DEMIN LAWD. If Mobius 1 joined the OAF, people would say OMG IT R RIBIN. Hiding reputation like that is impossible.

 

Still, the best stance is to say every protagonist in the AC series except for AH (obvious reasons) and Xi (Falco 1 is only the second in line to best Aurelian pilot, Gryphus 1 being the actual player in that war) is the player himself.


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Sweet, I was hoping we'd get to have this discussion again. Nine years later, and it still hasn't grown tiresome! It's as relevant as it ever was.


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