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Who would've won the Circum-Pacific War?


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Poll: So who would win? (115 member(s) have cast votes)

Osea or Yuktobania?

  1. Osea (48 votes [41.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.74%

  2. Yuktobania (40 votes [34.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.78%

  3. No one (8 votes [6.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.96%

  4. Voted Other - Please Specify (19 votes [16.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.52%

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But it was a "WHAT IF" question so it could have been the same person, but then again, not... My point being is, you can pose the ""What if" questions all day, but in the end, it didn't happen so don't bother. :P



Now that seems completely logical.. Yeah the Cipher/Cypher difference is in the spelling, but one could be the Osean spelling and the other could be the same but Yuktobanian spelling... Basically the arguement could be they are the same because the spelling could have been different in the translation.

Edited by absender, 12 June 2009 - 12:43 PM.


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But "WHAT IF" the Yukes would have hired him.. Hmmmmm Looks at the Ace pilot name in Fortress mission. :P


Hmm...

It's obviously not the same guy, but if it was... Yuktobania would tear Osea apart.

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Hmm...

It's obviously not the same guy, but if it was... Yuktobania would tear Osea apart.



No they would not tear them apart they would destroy Osea

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No they would not tear them apart they would destroy Osea

that's basically the same thing...

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I only pick yuktobania because of the fact that even without the two mega-subs, the yuktobanian navy is still impossibly strong and their air force comprises of ALOT of veterans. Osea woudn't stand a chance Ginnet even says so in a cutscene and I quote "They (Razgriz) have become the center of the army's power now as long as they are there they will win." end quote.

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Osea. They've got the better trained troops, presumably more flexible battle doctrine, and better weapons.

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But it was a "WHAT IF" question so it could have been the same person, but then again, not... My point being is, you can pose the ""What if" questions all day, but in the end, it didn't happen so don't bother. :lol:



But what if Cipher hooked up with a women by the name of Nagase. Cipher left her to go fight in another war and she raised a young Nagase named Kei, who became a whiny pacifist fighter pilot with the Wardog Squadron, then eventually with the Legendary Razgriz. I'm just saying!!! :lol:

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i would say that the attack on port hewitt was a modern pearl harbor, which did in a sense deal a huge blow to the Osean Navy. Plus even with out the burst missles nearly finishing off the fleet, the yukes still had long range anti-ship cruise missles which with out Razgriz stopping the F35s launching them, would have done the job

the yukes also adopted terrorist tactics which would just pick away at public moral as well as being able to sneak an entire squadron to November City. Also with out Razgriz the Yuktobanian assault on sand island would have probably worked and given them a major foot hold

another thing is that the yukes managed to sneak an entire armored division into an osean airport

However one of the most navy assests of the yukes, is their submarines (not the super ones), these seem the represent the much feared german navy's U-boat fleet, infamously dubbed the wolf pack during WW2. Although Osea's technology seems more then good enough to counter this. an example would be the sonar bouys dropped by blue dog.

Osea however has a massive navy and basically a better equiped and trained air force. Also it seems that osea has a wide arsenal of technology for use during war time.


overall-

technology: Osea

tactics: yuktobania

army: yuktobania

air force: Osea

military forts and entrenchments: yuktobania

navy: Osea

the winner: Yuktobania

Edited by gravemind, 22 June 2009 - 11:35 PM.


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i would say that the attack on port hewitt was a modern pearl harbor, which did in a sense deal a huge blow to the Osean Navy. Plus even with out the burst missles nearly finishing off the fleet, the yukes still had long range anti-ship cruise missles which with out Razgriz stopping the F35s launching them, would have done the job

the yukes also adopted terrorist tactics which would just pick away at public moral as well as being able to sneak an entire squadron to November City. Also with out Razgriz the Yuktobanian assault on sand island would have probably worked and given them a major foot hold

another thing is that the yukes managed to sneak an entire armored division into an osean airport

However one of the most navy assests of the yukes, is their submarines (not the super ones), these seem the represent the much feared german navy's U-boat fleet, infamously dubbed the wolf pack during WW2. Although Osea's technology seems more then good enough to counter this. an example would be the sonar bouys dropped by blue dog.

Osea however has a massive navy and basically a better equiped and trained air force. Also it seems that osea has a wide arsenal of technology for use during war time.


overall-

technology: Osea

tactics: yuktobania

army: yuktobania

air force: Osea

military forts and entrenchments: yuktobania

navy: Osea

the winner: Yuktobania


Without Wardog, I don't see how Osea has a better air force.

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Without Wardog, I don't see how Osea has a better air force.


That is true, just think what would've happened if Wardog wasn't there to protect Sand Island when Yuke landing forces were coming.

I've been wondering, How come the Yukes were able to sneak a squadron right to November City deep in Osean territory, but the Oseans couldn't sneak a squadron to Cinigrad or some other location?

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Well, Yuktobiania has experienced pilots, but on mission 26, youre fighting both yuke and osean pilots, both are a pain, but Oseans were kinda harder to shot down(IMO), plus Osea as a better navy consisting of 3 main aircraft carrier, Buzzard, Kestrel and Vulture, while the Yukes have only frigates and hoovercrafts, anyway, Oseans have better technology that is way better than Yukes', and their infantry is better trained, more flexible and better equiped than Yuktobanian's.

I'll vote Osea. IMHO

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Well, Yuktobiania has experienced pilots, but on mission 26, youre fighting both yuke and osean pilots, both are a pain, but Oseans were kinda harder to shot down(IMO), plus Osea as a better navy consisting of 3 main aircraft carrier, Buzzard, Kestrel and Vulture, while the Yukes have only frigates and hoovercrafts, anyway, Oseans have better technology that is way better than Yukes', and their infantry is better trained, more flexible and better equiped than Yuktobanian's.

I'll vote Osea. IMHO

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3 aircraft carriers with so few aircraft isn't the best way to wage a war.......

Yukes have several aces (10-11 or so) and veteran squadrons.

Oseans have 2 aces (Swordsman, Decoder) and unheard of squadrons.

The superior numbers would have rendered the flexible and better equipped Oseans worthless. Modern warfare has relied on attrition ever since 1914.

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3 aircraft carriers with so few aircraft isn't the best way to wage a war.......

Yukes have several aces (10-11 or so) and veteran squadrons.

Oseans have 2 aces (Swordsman, Decoder) and unheard of squadrons.

The superior numbers would have rendered the flexible and better equipped Oseans worthless. Modern warfare has relied on attrition ever since 1914.


Well,you see 11-10 Yuke aces, cuz we're waging war against Yuktobania, so you only notice those aces you are fighting against, but again its only MY opinion ^^

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Yuktobania, or a stalemate. Why? Like with all AC games (with the possible exception of AC6), your country's military is almost always asking you to save their arses (refer to AC5's Cruik fortress mission). Also, when there is a large air battle of some kind (refer to ACZs' 'Mayhem' level), your allies are often nowhere to be seen. In short, you are always outnumbered (and in some cases outmaneuvered and outgunned).

However, it makes perfect sense to dumb down the allied AI so that they don't 'steal your kills', if you know what I mean by that.

Edited by AceWombat, 02 July 2009 - 09:41 PM.


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...plus Osea as a better navy consisting of 3 main aircraft carrier, Buzzard, Kestrel and Vulture, while the Yukes have only frigates and hoovercrafts


I just want to point this out: The Kestrel could've been sunk in Port St. Hewlett if Wardog didn't show up. And the Buzzard and Vulture could've also been sunk when they were trying to pass through Eglin Straits.

The Yukes have a battleship, Cruisers, Destroyers, Aegis, carrier (Admiral Tsanev), and subs.

In my point of view, the Yukes could've decimated the Osean fleets. If the Kestrel, Vulture, and Buzzard were sunk in the early stages of the war, the Osean Navy will only have the Aircraft Carrier Barbet along with the Chivalry, Halcyon, Iolite, and two other ships in their fleet to fight the Yuke fleet in "Sea of Chaos".



[Off topic] btw: I noticed that the Aircraft Carriers in the Osean Navy are names for birds (Kestrel, Vulture, Buzzard, and Barbet). And the Osean Ship Halcyon is also a name for a bird.[/Off topic]

Edited by Estovakian, 02 July 2009 - 11:50 PM.


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off topic: The Yuke carrier Admiral Tsanev is perhaps a reference to Russia's aircraft carrier (I think only) Admiral Kutuzov.

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3 reasons why osea:
1.osea has many superweapons or aircrafts/aces that can they use
2.osea is a big continent and many allies
3.osea can restore peace in a year.

3 reasons why yuktobania:
1.yukes has V2 that can they use
2.yukes have the powerful naval fleet that can deploy anywhere in the battlefield
3.yukes and belkans are allies.

can you get the point?

osea and yuktobania can be allies again because of their presidents that restores peace ariund the world..

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i would say that the attack on port hewitt was a modern pearl harbor, which did in a sense deal a huge blow to the Osean Navy. Plus even with out the burst missles nearly finishing off the fleet, the yukes still had long range anti-ship cruise missles which with out Razgriz stopping the F35s launching them, would have done the job

the yukes also adopted terrorist tactics which would just pick away at public moral as well as being able to sneak an entire squadron to November City. Also with out Razgriz the Yuktobanian assault on sand island would have probably worked and given them a major foot hold

another thing is that the yukes managed to sneak an entire armored division into an osean airport

However one of the most navy assests of the yukes, is their submarines (not the super ones), these seem the represent the much feared german navy's U-boat fleet, infamously dubbed the wolf pack during WW2. Although Osea's technology seems more then good enough to counter this. an example would be the sonar bouys dropped by blue dog.

Osea however has a massive navy and basically a better equiped and trained air force. Also it seems that osea has a wide arsenal of technology for use during war time.


overall-

technology: Osea

tactics: yuktobania

army: yuktobania

air force: Osea

military forts and entrenchments: yuktobania

navy: Osea

the winner: Yuktobania



i cannot get it,sorry.

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I just want to point this out: The Kestrel could've been sunk in Port St. Hewlett if Wardog didn't show up. And the Buzzard and Vulture could've also been sunk when they were trying to pass through Eglin Straits.

The Yukes have a battleship, Cruisers, Destroyers, Aegis, carrier (Admiral Tsanev), and subs.

In my point of view, the Yukes could've decimated the Osean fleets. If the Kestrel, Vulture, and Buzzard were sunk in the early stages of the war, the Osean Navy will only have the Aircraft Carrier Barbet along with the Chivalry, Halcyon, Iolite, and two other ships in their fleet to fight the Yuke fleet in "Sea of Chaos".


Wow, you really got a point there, Touché! haha, well I dont know how to counter attack your arguments at this point, but I just wanna point out that the Yukes attacked at Eglin Straits (thats Rendezvouz right?) because they had Scinfaxi, and at the beggining of the thread they said no wardog, no supersubs, etc.

So taking the Scinfaxi outta the equation, if the Yukes would have showed of in that mission that would be an easy win for Osea, there were several Osean squadrons looking after the Kestrel, Vulture and Buzzard apart from you, remember?

Now about the argument Solaris exposed in on one of his posts:

3 aircraft carriers with so few aircraft isn't the best way to wage a war.......



Its pretty valid, even tho its only for the Kestrel, that was the only carrier that was short on pilots, theres no line on any cutscene or inflight chatter that says Buzzard or Vulture was short on birds.

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Edited by Razgriz Ace, 03 July 2009 - 08:43 AM.


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Wow, you really got a point there, Touché! haha, well I dont know how to counter attack your arguments at this point, but I just wanna point out that the Yukes attacked at Eglin Straits (thats Rendezvouz right?) because they had Scinfaxi, and at the beggining of the thread they said no wardog, no supersubs, etc.

So taking the Scinfaxi outta the equation, if the Yukes would have showed of in that mission that would be an easy win for Osea, there were several Osean squadrons looking after the Kestrel, Vulture and Buzzard apart from you, remember?


Wait, did they launch the planes from the Scinfaxi? Or was the Scinfaxi there as a back-up?


Now about the argument Solaris exposed in on one of his posts:



Its pretty valid, even tho its only for the Kestrel, that was the only carrier that was short on pilots, theres no line on any cutscene or inflight chatter that says Buzzard or Vulture was short on birds.

Mr. Ace


That is true. But they could've been wiped out any other day because of their noobishness.