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> Modern use of Nazi tech, title of hell :)
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post Jul 14 2008, 10:14 PM
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Is it me or those us made unmanned spy planes looks just like the nazi v1 flying bomb:


To me the design and maybe the engin tech is different but it deffinitely has links.



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post Jul 14 2008, 11:45 PM
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I don't see the link considering that the what little semblance these aircraft have is a passing one. True both are unmanned aircraft. However their roles are completely different. For starters a modern Tomahawk would have more in common with the V-1 than Global Hawk. Both Tomahawk and V-1 are cruise missiles. Global Hawk has a more permanent role when conducting its missions.

Also the basic planform used by V-1 and Global Hawk; that is, a rectangular fixed winged aircraft with an engine mounted atop the aircraft, is not a unique feature among aircraft. Take the Cirrus Corp recent light jet concept which made its first flight earlier this month. It should be noted that the company coincidental calls the testing model the V-1:



The Piper Aircraft company has a jet concept that employs a similar configuration.


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post Jul 15 2008, 05:27 AM
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post Jul 15 2008, 06:30 AM
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That second picture is so shooped.
But those planes look the same... cool.


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post Jul 15 2008, 06:35 AM
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For a real example of surviving Nazi tech, look at the VW Beetle. The car was commissioned by Hitler, who ordered the Porsche family to design and produce a "people's car" for the German public.


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post Jul 15 2008, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE (Blak110 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:35 AM) *
For a real example of surviving Nazi tech,



You forgot Rocket science and modern tank science...


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post Jul 16 2008, 06:37 AM
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It's kind of messed up how they did it, but Nazi doctors found out that if you keep a person's head above freezing water, they'll survive longer. So now pilot suits and what not are designed to keep the wearer's head above the water.


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post Jul 16 2008, 07:01 AM
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Was that one of the infamous "Jew Experiments"?


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post Jul 16 2008, 08:42 AM
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List of ten existing derivatives of Nazi Tech.

1. Turbojet Engines (Me-262)
2. Wire Guided Misisles (TOW)
3. Cruise Missiles (Tomahawk & Harpoon)
4. Ballistic Missiles (V-2)
5. Assault Rifles (M-16 & AK-47)
6. Semi-Automatic Sniper Rifles (Barret 82)
7. VTOL capabilities (Tribfluegel)
8. Advanced Rocket Motors (V-2 also)
9. Stealth ( Ho-229)
10. Swept & Delta wing configs (Focke Wulf Ta-183)

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post Jul 16 2008, 12:32 PM
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A great deal of our modern medical information is derived from Nazi research. Some people say that we should never use any information gained from their horrible experiments, but I say that we have a responsibility to use any and all information gained from that terrible chapter in human history for the benefit of mankind.
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post Jul 16 2008, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (Blak110 @ Jul 16 2008, 08:01 AM) *
Was that one of the infamous "Jew Experiments"?


Not quite, the learned that from dunking Jews and Russian POWs in tanks of freezing cold water and observing under what conditions they died under.

QUOTE (Lord of the Aces @ Jul 16 2008, 09:42 AM) *
List of ten existing derivatives of Nazi Tech.


Well a few could be debated.

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1. Turbojet Engines (Me-262)

Sir Frank Whittle developed a turbojet for the Allies. Germany and Britain were pretty much neck and neck.

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9. Stealth ( Ho-229)

Jack Northop was working on his own flying wings around the same time as the Horten Bros were.

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6. Semi-Automatic Sniper Rifles (Barret 82)

The Russians had scoped SVT-40s, and the M1C featured a scope. In fact, the Germans had a hard time getting their semi-auto battle rifle to work until they captured a few Soviet Tokarev rifles.

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post Jul 16 2008, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE (Trainwreck141 @ Jul 17 2008, 04:32 AM) *
A great deal of our modern medical information is derived from Nazi research. Some people say that we should never use any information gained from their horrible experiments, but I say that we have a responsibility to use any and all information gained from that terrible chapter in human history for the benefit of mankind.

i wonder if they also experiment/make those hulks in Red alert games.. or those mindcontroler machines.. or the human grinder for something like electricity >_<

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post Jul 20 2008, 05:47 PM
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I wouldn't say those US drones are taken from the Nazi's V-1, which was more a primitive cruise missile. They don't really look that alike. Though the US did get help from Germans (some of the members of the Nazi Party) after World War II, such as Wernher von Braun. The US, and probably the Soviet Union, even made it one of there priorities once they conquered Germany to interrogate certain German rocket scientists.


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post Jul 20 2008, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (Gai Murakumo @ Jul 16 2008, 07:29 PM) *
Sir Frank Whittle developed a turbojet for the Allies. Germany and Britain were pretty much neck and neck.

It is true, however, that the engines for the F-86 Sabre and MiG-15 were basically copies of the Me-262's engine (several other components of those aircraft were borrowed from the Me-262), and the V-2 was the base for the modern ballistic missile.


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post Jul 20 2008, 07:39 PM
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Hey guys how bout something call this? The MG3


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post Jul 20 2008, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (DerKrieger @ Jul 20 2008, 08:31 PM) *
It is true, however, that the engines for the F-86 Sabre and MiG-15 were basically copies of the Me-262's engine


I'm not sure about the MiG-15. The RD-45 was a copy of the Rolls Royce Nene, and the the Nene was completed in 1944, so I don't know how it could have incorporated anything from the Junkers Jumo 004 engine. The British also developed their own axial flow compressor design that evolved into the Armstrong Siddeley Saphire (J65).

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and the V-2 was the base for the modern ballistic missile.


I'm not denying that, I was only talking about turbojet engines.


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post Jul 20 2008, 08:35 PM
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well this reminds me of the F-22 and the PAK-FA... Yes the PAK-FA is going to look like the F-22 because that is a very good design. So yeah shape doesn't mean much to me, its the tools in it and the capabilities...


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post Jul 21 2008, 07:31 AM
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For certain roles, everything in that particular category looks similar. Most Gen5 planes resemble the F-22, the F-15, MiG-29, and Su-27 looked similar, the Yak-25RV, U-2, and M-55 all utilize the same wing, many modern airliners look very similar, and the swing-wing bombers are similar in shape (but not size).


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post Jul 21 2008, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE (Viper64 @ Jul 20 2008, 08:39 PM) *
Hey guys how bout something call this? The MG3


Yes, it an MG42 modernized and redesigned so that it can fire the standard NATO 5.56mm round. Some examples have a heavier bolt to slow down the rate of fire.


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post Jul 21 2008, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (vlaxtheimpaler @ Jul 21 2008, 12:51 PM) *
Yes, it an MG42 modernized and redesigned so that it can fire the standard NATO 5.56mm round. Some examples have a heavier bolt to slow down the rate of fire.

7.62 NATO actually smile.gif The MiG-15 (and 17)'s engines were based upon the Me-262's engines.



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