yeah we all know how the plane works, and how to control it..

to make things short... i want to know the basic and needed switches to start up a plane

IRL pilots are welcome...

use cessna plane for samples...

now discuss

thx

Your referring the controls used on engine start up......thats easy. I will summarize the before engine start and the engine starting checklists for the Cessna 172R, but be aware there are many more important elements on that check list, but for sake of discussion they are extraneous.

You want to make sure that the engine has an ample supply of fuel:
-Set the fuel tank selector switch to both
-The fuel shut off valve knob should be push towards the fire wall in the open position

After you have completed the before engine start check list:
-Mixture control knob is at idle cut off
-Advance throttle 1/4"
-Master Switch to ON
-Check fuel guage for fuel quantity (IF possible visually verify fuel quantity during preflight inspection and just before getting into the plane)
-Switch on anti-collision red beacon (That in addition to shouting "CLEAR PROP!" serves to warn people around the aircraft the engine is about to be started and to stay clear)

Depending on the temperature of the engine (assessed by looking at the oil temp guage) you will either prime the engine with a small amount of fuel or attempt a warm start:

-If cold, switch on the Auxiliary Fuel Pump and advance the Mixture control knob to Full Rich and observe the fuel flow gauge, when fuel is verified to be flowing into the engines immediately return the Mixture Control to Idle Cut Off and turn the fuel pump off.
-Insert key into ignition and turn the switch to BOTH, the starter motor will crank the propeller until the Magnetos provided sufficent spark to ignite the fuel.
-Once that occurs occurs immediately bring the Mixture Control to Full Rich
-Set Engine RPM with the throttle control to 1000 RPM
-Lean the mixture control to prevent fowling of the spark plug and to reduce fuel consumption during ground ops

If the engine is warm (The oil temp needle is in the Green Arc past 75 degrees F) then you do not have to prime the engine and just start the engine. Be aware, even if it is warm, it may not start on the first attempt. In that case the engine must be primed.

Well, if you ever get into the cockpit of a MiG-29, this will show you what does what:

http://www.cockpits.nl/MiG29descr.htm

It depends. Do you want to fly for fun, or are you escaping the bad guys and don't care about engine damage?

Wheres my darned Falcon 4.0 manual when I need it???

maybe.. or watever happend if zombie plague occurs.. fly to nearest island .. : )

to be serious. i just want to know.. im very curious..

I was sure I made a post stating "Remember to check status of flux capacitor"...

And I was sure I deleted it because it was spam.
If you like, in the future I could raise your warning level, or take more severe action... OR, you could post relevantly and appropriately and not have to worry.


Justin
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Define spam... please.

Spam means a post is irrelevant and just taking up space in the thread without contriubting to the discussion. For example, posting about a fiction device from a movie, which neither the device itself, nor the movie have anything to do with starting an aircraft.
Raptorguy implied that had he had that manual, he could have rattled off an analogous aircraft startup procedure.

While not dead-on-topic, his post was at least relevant. Yours was totally off-topic.


Justin
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Yes, I'm sure people will give him a clear answer as to the whereabouts of his manual.

To steer this back into the wind...

When I flew my B-1B on X-plane...I'm trying to remember how I did my startup. I'm not a pilot, so I don't know any of the technical terms, or the controls. I just kind of fiddled around with what seemed right.

I think it went like this:
1) Turned the battery on (Main Power to Battery?)
2) Turned the Avionics on
Near my throttles were four little red knobs. They had something to do with fuel flow to the engines.
3) Raised the red knob for Engine 1 part way
4) Turned on the power for Engine 1
5) Pressed/Flipped the starter for Engine 1 and held it until engine lit-off
6) Throttled Engine 1 from Idle to Mil-Power, then back to Idle
7) Repeat steps 3-6 for Engines 2-4
8) Turned power to the Generator
9) Turned on Nav lights

I know it's not the "proper" procedure, but I made due. If Phantom or AceOHearts were around, they could probably translate or give the full accout of the startup for that particular model in the game.


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Not from the manual, but it does the job: http://www.quebecairforce.com/falcon/doc/R..._ramp_start.pdf

I've actually run through the procedure in the F-16 simulator at Nellis and its not too much different, but remember that its simplified... sort of like "F-16 ramp start for dummies" kind of thing...

This post has been edited by Raptorguy: May 14 2008, 08:38 PM

hey! i know ZAKU is some kinda pilot student!!! did he?

Hmmm, CTRL+E? Thats how it works in FS2004.

But general sillyness aside;

Not exactly a Cessna or a military aircraft, but the Туполев Ту-154ь2 Made by Project Tupolev team for FS-2004 has a start up prodedure that is pretty realistic for FS-2004 anyways, Though not 100% RL I would assume, it is like a 107 step procedure, but it is pretty realistic as far as most airliners go just let me pull it out and is often considered the amongst the best freeware aircraft you can get, even surpassing many payware aircraft (can't start that baby with CTRL+E, you'll actuallyt need to flip quite a few switches to get it started ):

Quick-starting the Tu-154b



Flight Engineer Panel

Battery and External Power
1. Battery Master Switch - UP
Battery light (ВНИМАНИЕ! СЕТЬ„ОТ]АККУМ - ON
2. Rotate switch (СЕТЬ / АККУМ) - AKK N1
Voltage Indicator - showing 28 volts

If external power available, to preserve batteries, do the following:
3. 200V APU/OFF/EXT PWR switch - DOWN

APU Start
4. APU Master switch (ЗАПУСК) - UP
5. APU Start/Rotate switch (ЗАПУСК„ХОЛ„ПРОКРO„ - UP
6. Shutoff Valve - OPEN cover (red)
Shutoff Valve switch - UP
Shutoff Valve - CLOSE cover
- Warning Panel Lights
- - ЗАБОРНИК„ОТКРЫТK APU door opened) - ON
- - ГОТОВSКOЗАПУСКУH„@„P„T„R„K„T (re - ON
- - РQТОПЛИВА„L„I„B„@ (fuel p - ON
7. Start button (ПУСК„R- PRESS

END APU Start

8. Air bleed switch (отборqвоздуха„€- HOLD UP (8 sec)
- Warning Panel Lights
- - ГОТОВSКOЗАПУСКУH„@„P„T„R„K„T (rea- OFF
9. Avionics Master Power Switches (2) - UP

Preparation of Engines
10. External power switch ВСУRВЫКЛBР\П - UP
Battery light (ВНИМАНИЕ! СЕТЬ„ОТ]АККУМ - OFF
11. Button (Контроль„ламп|„- PRESS
- Warning Panel Lights
- - All lights check - ON
12. STOP levers (No. 1, No. 2, No. 3) - UPPER position
13. EGT Engine Switch (КОНТРОЛЬ ТЕМПЕРАТ) - UP
14. EGT Engine Switch (КОНТРОЛЬ ТЕМПЕРАТ) - UP
15. EGT Engine Switch (КОНТРОЛЬ ТЕМПЕРАТ) - UP
16. Fire Shutoff Valves (ПЕРЕКРЫВНЫЕ КРАНЫ) - OPEN cover (red)
Shutoff Valve switch - UP (ОТКРЫТОQ
Shutoff Valve - CLOSE cover
17. Fuel Meter Switch (ТОПЛИВОМЕР„ - UP
18. ENC-325 Switches (РАСХОДНЫЙOБАКN№\„ - UP (4)
19. ENC-323 Wing Tanks No. 2 Left Switches - UP
20. ENC-323 Wing Tanks No. 2 Right Switches - UP
21. Auto Fuel Supply System Cover - OPEN cover (green)
Switch АВТ. РАСХ - UP
Auto Fuel Supply System Cover (green) - CLOSE cover
22. Auto Fuel Supply System (АВТОМАТOРУЧНОЕ) - UP (АВТОМАТ)
23. Fuel Flow Meter Switch (РАСХОДОМЕР„ - UP
Fuel Flow Meter Gauge (above РАСХОДОМЕР„ - SET total fuel on board (+/-)



Engine Start
24. Beacons (middle switch on AP/ РУДT„D panel Shift - ON
Engine Start Panel - OPEN
25. Switch to start (ЗАПУСК„T„R„K) po - UP
26. Switch to start (ЗАПУСК„T„R„K) po - UP
27. Heating switch ОБОГРЕВCЗАПАЛЬНОГО@УСТРОЙСТВА„O„C„OoC) - UP
28. Select engine No. 1 to start - SELECT
29. Start Button - PRESS
ПДАDРАБОТАЕТAlight - ON
ПДАDРАБОТАЕТAlight - OFF
30. Select engine No. 2 to start - SELECT
31. Start Button - PRESS
ПДАDРАБОТАЕТAlight - ON
ПДАDРАБОТАЕТAlight - OFF
32. Select engine No. 1 to start - SELECT
33. Start Button - PRESS
ПДАDРАБОТАЕТAlight - ON
ПДАDРАБОТАЕТAlight - OFF
34. Switch to start (ЗАПУСК„T„R„K) po - DOWN
35. Switch to start (ЗАПУСК„T„R„K) po - DOWN
36. Heating switch ОБОГРЕВCЗАПАЛЬНОГО@УСТРОЙСТВА„O„C„OoC) - DOWN
37. Select - NEUTRAL
Engine Start Panel - CLOSE

NOTE: 8 minute warm-up period is mandatory. After engine start, flight engineer will say “МИНУТАNДО„ПРОГРЕВА”„P„Q„O„C„Q„E„B„@�h (a minute to warm“ДВИГАТЕЛИoПРОГРЕТЫ”„D„B„I„C„@„S„E„L„I „P„Q„O„C„Q„E„S„\�h

Further Settings and APU Shutdown
38. Automatic Fuel Equalization Mode switch to ABTOMAT - UP
39. Main generator switch - UP
40. Main generator switch - UP
41. Main generator switch - UP
42. 200V APU/OFF/EXT PWR switch - MIDDLE position
43. Air bleed switch (отборqвоздуха„€- HOLD DOWN (8 sec)
- Warning Panel Lights
- - ГОТОВSКOЗАПУСКУH„@„P„T„R„K„T (rea- ON
44. APU shutdown stop (СТОП„O„P) bu - PRESS
Flight engineer confirms APU shutdown: “ВСУ„ВЫКЛЮЧЕ\А”
45. APU Master switch (ЗАПУСК) - DOWN
46. APU Start/Rotate switch (ЗАПУСК„ХОЛ„ПРОКРO„ - DOWN
47. Shutoff Valve - OPEN cover (red)
Shutoff Valve switch - DOWN
Shutoff Valve - CLOSE cover

Overhead Panel

48. BKK Power switch - UP

Captain’s Panel (Autopilot subpanel)

49. Booster switch (БУСТЕРНОЕEУПРАВЛЕНИЕT - UP
50. Booster switch (БУСТЕРНОЕEУПРАВЛЕНИЕT - UP
51. Booster switch (БУСТЕРНОЕEУПРАВЛЕНИЕT - UP
CAP over booster switches - CLOSE (right-click)


Flight Engineer Panel

52. Check switch in АВТОМАТ position - DOWN
Check cover - CLOSED
53. Yaw hydrosystems - UP
54. Yaw hydrosystems - UP
55. Yaw hydrosystems - UP
56. Roll hydrosystems - UP
57. Roll hydrosystems - UP
58. Roll hydrosystems - UP
59. Pitch hydrosystems - UP
60. Pitch hydrosystems - UP
61. Pitch hydrosystems - UP
62. Longitudinal control (ПРОДОЛЬНАЯ„УПРАВЛЯЕМОСТЬP„- UP
Cover - CLOSED

Overhead Panel

63. АГРC„Q swit- UP
64. САУ@СТУ„R„S„T s- UP

Captain’s Panel (Autopilot subpanel)

65. Autothrottle control to ПОДГОТОВКА„B„K„@ pos- SET
Cover - CLOSE
66. Button КОНТРОЛЬ„ЛАМПL- PRESS

Overhead Panel

67. ПКПKЛЕВ„L„E„B s- UP
68. ПКПKПРАВP„Q„@„B - UP
69. МГВCКОНТР„O„N„S„Q- UP

NOTE: Wait for 3 minutes after turning on the switches above: ПКПKЛЕВ„L„E„ПКПnПРАВ„K„P.МГВQКОНТРa


Captain’s Panel (Autopilot subpanel)

70. АРРЕТИРE„S„I„Q Gyrohorizons preparation for tak- OPEN cover
Button - PRESS and HOLD
Check Captain’s and copilot’s horizon (ADI) level - RELEASE

Overhead Panel

71. Switch БККKТЕСТS- UP
Switch БККKТЕСТS- DOWN
Check АГ„C flags on botПКПP„K„P-1 (A- NOT SHOWING
Check warning light ОТКАЗKМГВHК„- OUT
72. Switch БККKТЕСТS- CLOSE cover
73. Switch ctab ГCA - UP
74. Switch ctab ГCA - UP
75. Electrical power to systems - UP
76. Electrical power to systems - UP
77. Electrical power to systems - UP
78. Electrical power to systems - UP
79. Electrical power to systems - UP
80. Electrical power to systems - UP
81. Electrical power to systems - UP
82. Electrical power to systems - UP
83. Electrical power to systems - UP
84. Electrical power to systems - UP
85. Electrical power to systems - UP
86. Electrical power to systems - UP
87. Electrical power to systems - UP
88. Electrical power to systems - UP
89. Electrical power to systems - UP
90. Electrical power to systems - UP
91. Electrical power to systems - UP
92. Electrical power to systems - UP
93. Electrical power to systems - UP

Captain’s Panel (Navigation subpanel)

94. Centre of Navigation gauge - CLICK
- displays actual heading of gyros

Overhead Panel

95. Set airport latitude - TURN CONTROL KNOB
96. Set switch to MK position - LEFT position
97. Set switch to к{нтр~„„„‚ posi- DOWN
98. Fast alignment button - PRESS and HOLD
- Navigation gauge will show “SHIFT-Z” digital position
99. Set switch to оснƒ- UP
100. Fast alignment button - PRESS and HOLD
101. Set switch to ГПК position - MIDDLE position
102. Fast alignment button - PRESS and HOLD
103. Switches on - UP

Captain’s Panel (Top of Glareshield)

104. Centre of Gravity (CAX) switch - 21-27% set to Green П
- 28-32% set to White С
- > 33% set to Yellow 3
Set vertical trim to neutral “0” on gauge to left of flaps gauge - Joystick trim buttons
- “Neutr tang” light - ON

Flight Engineer Panel

105. Charge emergency braking system - PRESS and HOLD
- manometer gauge to show 180 KG/cm2

Captain’s Panel

106. Navigator lights - UP
107. Nosewheel steering switch - UP
108. Nosewheel steering mode to 63 degrees - DOWN

That is one procedure I have picked up on the net to get it started. The manual is far more detailed in the start-up procedure.

The Captain Sim C-130 package has an equally lengthy checklist.

wow with just this FS stuff i get easily dizzy X_X

If you've ever gone to an airshow and wondered why a fighter jet sits on the ground virtually forever idling, heres your answer: Checklists.



This post has been edited by Raptorguy: A week ago

There's a youtube video out there of an F-16 pilot going through his procedure with a camera in the cockpit.
Just look up F-16 Startup.


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