look i don't like red china becuse tibet and how can comunest state have captailest buseinse

look if history told me any thing that nation with good economy thay will buy more military goods


when will or if a war start between us and red china who will win best there military plans

Will war ever breakout? Nowhere in the forseeable future does that seem likely; predictions beyond the immediate are inherently useless.

Who would win? We would, of course.

Its really hard to say whether the United States and China will ever go to war with each other, only time will tell. Some argue that it can and will never happen because of the trade and business we do with them, and that China doesn't want to bite the hand who feeds them..namely the United States. But despite all the great business and trade we do ith them, China has been doing things that seem questionable and does cause me to wonder. There has been security breaches in the Pentagon by the Chinese military hacking into our computers last year and who knows what might be going on now that we may never know about. We dont even know what kind of information they might have been able to obtain or what they got in to. China is bulding up its military and is also seeking a blue water navy that has Japan and Australia concerned. Infact the Chinese are referbishing the sister to the Russian Admiral Kuznetzov, the Varyag, to be their first carrier, and have plans to build a number of their own. Now China has as much right to strengthen and develop her military as much as the US or any of the Pacific rim nations and other do. But how they will use their military might and for what aside for national defense of their homeland, well that we'll have to see in the coming years.

But for now one can only specualte and offer opinions of what can, may/might or never happen. Hopefully both countries will never have to know each other in battle. But if there was to ever be a war I believe China would be an adversary to be reckond with. Yes we may have the best technology and weapons and trained personnel, but so does China, and they should never be taken for granted as a push over. Even with our F-22s or stealth warships being designed, the Chinese could still bloody us pretty bad in the early stages of a war. Just because China doesn't have stealth fighters now or any of the things we have now or will use, doesn't mean we're invincible either. Alot would have to do on who between the two would have the best battle plan and strategy and how each side deploys their people and equipment.

How can't a communist country have capitalist views on business/economy?


Since China isn't a democracy, if the President wills it, the country can have conscription. It can turn into a 'number vs power' game. Outcome? I don't know. I don't want to think about it, either.

Like Tomcatter, I don't believe a war will break out. Well, not anytime soon, that is. China is one of the USA's big trading partners. In any case, I hope there never will be a war. I have relatives living in the USA and China; this idea of war is among one of the things I don't want to break into the realm of reality.

oh believe me I'm Chinese and I can ensure you there'd be no war for years. Everything in the country is fucked up. So the commies have a lot to do within the country instead of having a war against others. Also Ma is elected as Taiwan's new president and he's not likely to declare war with China, thus another major potential cause of China - US war is eliminated.

the whole US -China situation confuses me

if im correct to this day Taiwan is considered by the USA the rightful government of China, however the Chinese are our greatest trading allies

i must say though, the Chinese push it sometimes, i think if they werent so restricted by treaties and such they would rival the US in power and outdo us in numbers, so thank god for putting our thumb on them

Officially US (and almost every country in the UN) consider Beijing (P.R.C) as the legal representative of China. Therefore whoever recognize P.R.C can't officially recognize Taiwan as a country, though de facto they do. Even ourselves are confused about Taiwan's political status. Again officially we are required to regard it as a province of P.R.C.

and actually China is not that red now, the real red one is Korea and we Chinese don't wanna be that poor, so let's make money not war

First off, learn to spell. Second, while a full-scale war is not going to happen, there will be a Taiwan Straits-type crisis soon.

China's already making war, if you ask me. And not in the traditional sense. Fiscally, the consumerism and spending of the US is ludicrous, and China is accumulating a lot of owed debt from the US. They could eventually come to "own" us financially. And let's not forget electronically--hackers and the like in Chinese government service have tried several times to break into US networks, if I've heard correctly.

But for now, I think this is as far as any "war" would go between the two powers.

personally, i think the only thing i could think of a reason for war is if dalai lama gets assasinated by the chinese, or if china invades Seberia for oil.

...In short, no. Because China owns most, if not all, of our national debt...Not to mention we tend to import a lot of products made by China/respective area anyway....Besides, the U.S. doesn't even really own itself,..foreign corporations do. Mostly European, but China is a big holder...

[EDIT]:...oh and sorry to nit-pick, but your spelling/grammar is rather poor...

This post has been edited by Locust 1: Mar 30 2008, 04:04 PM

Read The Bear And The Dragon much?

You are aware that the PLA has 2.25 million first rate troops compared to your 1.5 millions (engaged in Iraq and Stan wheras China aint)
Assuming you recall them all and excalate this so that both you and China commit everyone its about 3 Million a piece (with 1/2 of yours being reserves compared to about 1/4 of theirs.) At which point they can wheel in their 3 million odd paramilitary types...
Oh and they have a much MUCH larger workforce to call upon for production of arms/ammuntion and about 300 Million people available and fit for military service should things kick off, with an extra 13 million a year turning 18 and becoming available for the conscription they can bring in at will
They also have 2300 Combat Aircraft, the US has just over 2000, and the J10 isnt exactly outdated compared to the majority of your ariforce (lets face it you have things other than the Uberpwnzor Raptor like F16's F15's)

Oh and they too have a nuclear arsenal... in addition to being supplied by Russia

So what exactly is this surefire victory based on? Divine intervention?

It's not all about numbers, ya know. We've got better training and equipment, and that's not including our strategic bombers and killer-crazy fighters. We'd control the skies and would be able to bomb them anywhere; at which point a conventional war would be effectively over.

1) Russia proved in world war two numbers has a quality all of its own...and they completely outclass the US in terms of number of troops, number of people eligable for combat and industry size. The US cannot especially given current missions it has undertaken, but even without those, cope with the sheer manpower china has avaiable for straight up troop numbers OR ability to produce wargear.

2) Their airforce isnt that poor, their J10's etc are of the same capabilites as most of the US teen series fighters. Given firstly you dont operate exclusively the apparantly divine f22 which is your trump card to all wars ever and do in fact still use the F15, 16, 18 and so on, and secondly they have more fighters than you (plus SAM systems) I dont see you controlling the skies and bombing them everywhere...Oh and yes that was your killer crazy fighters I was referring to they have about 300 more than you

3) Conventional war ends with your apparantly inevitable easy victory, they go nuclear, you get blown to bits
Vice versa they win, you go nuclear, again no score draw

Please with some real evidence rather than "we have Uber airforce fo doom coz we has the f22 :D:D:D:D" explain how you would win so easily...

This post has been edited by Corrupt: Apr 2 2008, 11:13 AM

Let's not forget the "godly" F-22 has an "ungodly" high price tag. We can't afford to have a force of just Raptors anyway. the USAF downsizing don't help much neither.

Know this:

If China decide they don't like you anymore (you evil westerners you), they will simply collapse your economy.
Greater than any 'MOAB', they could just crash your country by refusing to supply you a) cheap products and the vast majority of plastics and B ) a very important one: Food.
Lets face it, not all of us are capable unlike some of living on naff all and little luxuries, if China did this, it's likely you would get a massive uproar revolt that the country has decided to up it's taxes ten fold to pay for the huge requirements a western country needs these days and the labour costs for what would likely be a government funded initiative to stop their country grabbing some petrol bombs and having a march because your main pillar stone refuses to continue to do so.
Lets not forget the Chinese put the fear of god into their population for the most part as well, if the US embargoed exports of m&ms to France, it's highly likely (infact it is bloody well true) that there would be cars over turned in the streets, rioters everywhere and the government forced to plead to have them brought back into the country. In China for the same reason if someone got a bit of a strop on about it, they'd likely be taken round the back of their house, given the good news with a very large and heavy stick and forced to reassure the authorities he/she wont try that again in a hurry.

So yes, China in part rule the world as the largest industrial and economic powerhouse on the planet. And perhaps if they didn't do this, they have one hell of an army that I'm in no rush to be fighting if they decided to go old school and re-enact germany's invasion of 1939 only this time with more man power and the full intention of taking over the world.
They could even use the economic crash to begin an invasion.

But regardless, accept the fact that China are big, are good and do at least in parts have strings attatched to your life.
Simply put: US vs China at war right now for real (ie Bush decides "its on" or visa versa) would result in nuclear war, massive widespread damage, terminally knackered atomsphere and hey if the blast doesnt kill you, unless you REALLY like living in CBRN suits performing CBRN drills day in day out and eating whats left of canned food/ration packs, the fall out will more than happily finish you off.

Loose loose situation for all concerned in massive global scale conflict these days.

*edit* oh, and Sun Tzu was Chinese so I guess your military battle tactics are knackered because he did write basically how to be an absolubte beast of an army and not just win but completley trash your foe both mentally and physically.

This post has been edited by firefox58: Apr 2 2008, 01:18 PM

...a slight repeat of previous posts at the beginning of yours, but, anyway,...you are correct regardless. China v. US won't happen, and even if it did. The US will be pwned financially/economically...'nuff said...*sigh*

Put it across in another way that focused more on the matter that China really are boss right now in ways that dont include air to air engagements of J-10 vs F-22.

well let me say one more thing. Who would win if the wasnt helped by God. David or Goliath?